SOLVED: [Fwd: Re: trademark issue]

[Leos Literak]

ahoj,

pro vasi informaci tady je vysledek konverzace
s RedHaty. Pro neznale anglictiny:

nesmi se prodavat CD s redhatem, dokud neodstranite
vsechny zminky o redhatu, jeho loga atd. jak z propagace
vaseho produktu, tak ze samotnych obrazu CD.

vzhledem k tomu, ze je to prakticky nemozne (pred lety
takto vznikl mandrake), znamena to, ze nikdo nemuze
prodavat palena/lisovana CD.

timto povazuji dalsi diskusi za bezpredmetnou a jdu
se venovat uzitecnejsim vecem ;-)

	Leos

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: trademark issue
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:33:21 -0400
From: Jennifer Ennis <jennis na redhat.com>
To: Leos Literak <literakl na abclinuxu.cz>
CC: Radek Vybiral <Radek.Vybiral na vsb.cz>, milan.kerslager na pslib.cz, 
Zdenek Drvota <drvota na zds.cz>, Viktor Matys <grumpa na qwert.cz>, 
jennis na redhat.com
References: <3E9C1300.1040000 na abclinuxu.cz> 
<3E9C1483.7010703 na redhat.com> <3E9C2E9F.5070106 na abclinuxu.cz>

Dear Leo:

Your friend Radek is correct with respect to the removal of the
trademarks and logo from the RPM. Although the trademark guidelines
don't specify that, the EULA does. Please refer to this:

See Paragraph 3 under Before Installation:

http://www.redhat.com/licenses/rhl_9_per_us

THE "RED HAT" TRADEMARK, THE "BLUECURVE" TRADEMARK AND RED HAT'S SHADOW
MAN LOGO ARE REGISTERED TRADEMARKS OF RED HAT, INC. IN THE UNITED STATES
AND OTHER COUNTRIES. WHILE THIS LICENSE AGREEMENT ALLOWS YOU TO COPY,
MODIFY AND DISTRIBUTE THE SOFTWARE, IT DOES NOT PERMIT YOU TO DISTRIBUTE
THE SOFTWARE UTILIZING RED HAT'S TRADEMARKS. YOU SHOULD READ THE
INFORMATION FOUND AT https://www.redhat.com/about/corporate/trademark/
<http://www.redhat.com/about/corporate/trademark/> BEFORE DISTRIBUTING A
COPY OF THE SOFTWARE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT HAS BEEN MODIFIED. IN
ADDITION, IF YOU MAKE A COMMERCIAL REDISTRIBUTION OF THE SOFTWARE AND
(A) YOU DO NOT FALL WITHIN AN EXCEPTION PROVIDED IN RED HAT'S TRADEMARK
GUIDELINES, (B) YOU HAVE NOT ENTERED INTO A REDISTRIBUTION AGREEMENT
WITH RED HAT, OR (C) YOU DO NOT HAVE A TRADEMARK LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH
RED HAT, THEN YOU MUST MODIFY THE FILES IDENTIFIED AS REDHAT-LOGOS AND
ANACONDA-IMAGES SO AS TO REMOVE ALL USE OF IMAGES CONTAINING THE "RED
HAT" TRADEMARK OR RED HAT'S SHADOW MAN LOGO. NOTE THAT MERE DELETION OF
THOSE FILES MAY CORRUPT THE SOFTWARE.

I hope this helps. We appreciate your taking the time to determine the
appropriate way to redistribute the software without violating our
trademarks.

Best of luck.

Jennifer Ennis
Trademark Administrator



Leos Literak wrote:

> Dear Jennifer,
>
> thank you for you fast reply. I thought, it made it clear,
> but it didn't. We're still discussing, what RedHat means
> by
>
> -- 
> You may not name or brand your product "Red Hat Linux," or use the Red 
> Hat trademarks in any way, either on your product or in advertising.
> -- 
>
> We all understand, that the product and its advertisement
> shall not parasite RedHat and its trademarks (and logos).
> But we are discussing about content of CDs.
>
> My friend Radek thinks, that "My Linux 9.0" must not contain any 
> "RedHat" strings and ShadowMan logos inside (e.g in data, ISO image). 
> In other words, when customer installs "My Linux 9.0", the installation
> will not contain any "RedHat" string or ShadowMan logo.
> This is, how he understands a sentence
>
> "use the Red Hat trademarks in any way"
>
> I think, that this sentence applies to marketing only. E.g. I must
> use my own trademark, my own logo etc. I cannot promote "My Linux 9.0"
> with information, that it is based on RedHat, if I show pictures, then
> they may not contain redhat trademarks or logos either.
>
> I don't think, that the sentence forces me to modify original ISO images
> and remove all RedHat trademarks from it. If I have to, then
> it means, that I have to modify CDs. But you explained me, how to
> distribute unmodified redhat. So it is possible to sell unmodified
> CDs with redhat under new brand. But Radek says, that I have to
> modify ISO images the way, I expressed above.
>
> Who's right?
>
> Thank you for the patience and please put your reply into FAQ as well.
>
> Sincerelly
>
> Leo
>
>
> Jennifer Ennis wrote:
>
>> Dear Leos:
>>
>> Thank for your taking the time to ask these very good questions.
>>
>> 1) If you brand it as My Linux 9.0 and market it as such, that is OK. 
>> You may not use either the RED HAT, Shadow Man or any similar name or 
>> logo. Here are the guidelines for marketing unmodified copies:
>>
>> http://www.redhat.com/about/corporate/trademark/guidelines/?page=6
>>
>> 2) In the RPM package, there is a way to remove the logos and "Red 
>> Hat" string so you are correct. This would be highly recommended if 
>> you intend to use screen shots to promote the sale of your distro as 
>> the RED HAT and Shadow Man logo appear on the screens.
>>
>> I hope that these answered your questions. Please let me know if you 
>> need further assistance.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jennifer Ennis
>> Leos Literak wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> we have had really hot discussion in our
>>> Linux User group about redhat trademark
>>> and possibility to resell CDs with redhat 9.
>>> I have read guidance but I dont understand
>>> it still. It may be interpreted various ways.
>>>
>>> Let's say, I wish to distribute latest RH 9.
>>> If I download ISO images, I make no modifications
>>> and name it as "My Linux 9" (and never say, it
>>> is redhat in fact), is it OK?
>>>
>>> According to 
>>> http://www.redhat.com/about/corporate/trademark/guidelines/?page=7
>>> it shall be ok. But on
>>> http://www.redhat.com/about/corporate/trademark/guidelines/?page=4
>>> you say, it may not contain either trademark
>>> Redhat or Shadowman logo.
>>>
>>> This may be understood two ways:
>>>
>>> 1\ I cannot promote, name or propagate "My Linux 9"
>>> with RedHat trademark or Shadowman logo.
>>>
>>> 2\ CD itself must not hold any reference to RedHat
>>> or contain shadowman image. This automatically
>>> implies, that I have to modify content of CD-ROM,
>>> remove all shadowman images and delete string "redhat"
>>>
>>> Which one is true?
>>>
>>> Thank you for explanation. I hope, that this will cease
>>> our discussion.
>>>
>>> Leos Literak

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