[Fedora TeX Live] texlive-hyphen-english contains no files

[Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard]

Hi,

Le 12/12/2011 12:46, Mojca Miklavec a écrit :
>> - There are (almost?) no (standard, non-utf8) hyphenation pattern files
>> in the standard tree, even though I have texlive-hyph-utf8.
> [...]
>> From texlive-hyph-utf8's info I get the impression that the usual
>> hyphenation patterns do not get installed at all any more, that is:
>> everyone's supposed to use the prebuilt fmt files (or use a utf8 engine).
> 
> The fact that there are only UTF-8 patterns in the tree doesn't mean
> that you have to use an UTF-8 engine. Most patterns work just fine
> with pdftex (of course sanskrit, ethiopic, indic patterns, lao, ...
> won't, but that's a different story).
> 
I didn't follow the beginning of the discussion, so sorry if I'm repeating
something that was said earlier, but at this point I think it's worth mentioning
explicitly that, in addition to utf-8 patterns, hyph-utf8 also contains wrappers
that allow loading these files with 8-bit engines such as pdfTeX, by transcoding
them on the fly at format generation time.

So the "usual" (standard, non-utf8) patterns are useless, since they have all
been converted to a form (the modern utf-8 patterns with their loaders) that is
usable by both Unicode and non-Unicode engines.

I'm not sure if Fedora distributes pre-built .fmt files (upstream TeX Live
certainly doesn't) but I can assure you that the file in hyph-utf8 (plus a few
exceptions like the original Knuth patterns) are what is used to generate these
.fmt files, even for pdfTeX.

Manuel.